Posts by Richard Oliver

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Maddox v Integro USA, Inc, et al

by Richard Oliver in

i know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that i can find in this decade with watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.

this lawsuit was brought in the federal district court for the eastern district of louisana.

it involves a family whose mother had died at a district convention in 2011. the mother, patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the mitchell center in mobile, alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.

Richard Oliver

CCJW is one of 8 or 9 corporations in the US that is used by the US branch office

Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses- Sponsors Conventions, Assemblies. Elders, MSs and Pioneers are appointed under their authority. It is has a letterhead that reads Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, most letters will come under that letterhead. It is basically the service department.

Kingdom Support Services- Facilitates activities at bethel and the transportation of literature if sent on US Branch trucks.

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York- They are the ones that actually do the printing of literature.

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania- They own the copyrights of the literature

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New Jersey- I forget what they own, I think that they were the original owners of the Stanley when the Branch bought the building

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Florida- They used to own an orange grove in Florida for the family.

Religious order of special full-time servants of Jehovah's Witnesses- all bethel family members along with traveling overseers and LDC full time members belong to this corporation.

Then there is one that owns the cemetery and Walkill. There is another that is the corporation that replaced the RBC which is at the branch.

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Maddox v Integro USA, Inc, et al

by Richard Oliver in

i know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that i can find in this decade with watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.

this lawsuit was brought in the federal district court for the eastern district of louisana.

it involves a family whose mother had died at a district convention in 2011. the mother, patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the mitchell center in mobile, alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.

Richard Oliver

I know that this is old but going through and posting about every lawsuit that I can find in this decade with Watchtower either good or bad if it has not already been posted.

This lawsuit was brought in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Louisana. It involves a family whose mother had died at a District Convention in 2011. The mother, Patsy, was descending stairs at the convention which was held at the MItchell Center in Mobile, Alabama when she fell and was fatally injured.

The family brought the wrongful death lawsuit against the insurance company for the Mitchell Center which is the Integro USA and Old Republican Insurane Company, Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. All three defendants filed a motion for summary judgment against the lawsuit. The Insurance company and CCJW had 4 arguments for dismissing the case.

First was that Patsy chose to go to the upper level and that contributed to her injury and that if she was too weak to go to the second level that she should not have chosen to go to that level. Second, that the stairs and gaps were open and obvious and that a reasonable person would have taken additional safety precautions as they walked up and down the stairs due to the obvious issues with the stairs. Third, was that the only obligation was to avoid any new and/or hidden dangers to the person using the equipment. Fourth that the case should be heard in Alabama and not in a federal court in Louisana.

The court ruled that the first three could not be resolved because the plaintiff still had some depositions to conduct and that the Rules of Federal Procedures requires that all Plaintiff depositions must be conducted before a motion for a summary judgment can be granted. The fourth issue the court ruled that the federal court can hear the case based on the diversity citizenship issues because the parties reside in different states.

Watchtower filed a motion for summary judgment based on the fact that they don't have any dealings with the conventions and cannot be held liable for anything done at the conventions. They supplied affidavits that in 2001 all dealings with District Conventions were taken over by CCJW and that at least since 2011 Watchtower no longer listed dates and locations of District Conventions in any of their publications. The court ruled that Watchtower did not have any dealings with the District Convention and could not be held liable for any actions that occurred at such an event, so it Watchtower was granted their motion.

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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

pretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .

gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .

“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.

Richard Oliver

Another funny one was that a guy sued on behalf of Jehovah God, Jesus Christ and God's Holy Spirit against Arizona State University for copyright infringement of the Bible. The Federal Magistrate dismissed the case out hand and felt it was so ridiculous of a case that the judge refused to make the Marshall's serve the school with the paperwork over the lawsuit.

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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

pretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .

gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .

“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.

Richard Oliver

I am not sure if he claimed that. He claims that Russell came to him in a dream and informed him that he is the only anointed member on the earth, he wanted to be installed as president and be awarded 1 billion dollars. He also sued Apple and Google because both companies took his app off of their stores because it violated copyright laws. BTW when you sue Google you shouldn't have all correspondents go to your free Gmail account.

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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

pretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .

gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .

“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.

Richard Oliver

There was a case in the US where a man did the same thing.

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When did the $4000.00 USD per day fine actually begin?

by DATA-DOG in

i'm just curious as to the timing.

i'm trying to inform someone abou this issue and i want my information to be factual.. dd.

Richard Oliver

June 23, 2016, is when the Judge filed his ruling for sanctions. July 6, 2016, Watchtower filed their notice of appeal. August 31, 2016, Plaintiff filed a motion for additional sanctions. September 7, 2016, Watchtower filed a motion to stay all proceedings that are listed in their appeal over the sanctions.

To verify above you can look at https://roa.sdcourt.ca.gov/roa/

Once you accept the terms of service and verify you are a human. The year is 2013 and the case number you will want to put in is 00067529.

According to the California Appeals court August 3, 2016, the court of appeals asked questions to Watchtower to see if they can even hear the case. On August 26, 2016, the court accepted the appeal to be heard but did say that they can reverse that decision. The question on the August 3 is that sanctions cannot be appealed unless it reaches 5,000 dollars, so there was a question of is each day a separate sanction or all considered the same sanction that would surpass the minimum amount of $5000.

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JWs - Organ, Tissue and Eye Donation

by darkspilver in

fyi.

saturday 15 april 2017, 4pm to 6pm.

organ, tissue and eye donation.

Richard Oliver

Orphan Crow you are right. The person putting on the event wrote back and stated that the reason they are doing hemoglobin checks is to show if someone is possibly anemic and to encourage them to go to their doctor to diagnose and help manage it.

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Lewis V Watchtower

by Richard Oliver in

as some may know as reported by jwsurvey in october 2014 that a lawsuit against watchtower was initiated in vermont.

march 30, 2017 saw a resolution to this case with a summary judgment being filled in watchtower favor..

Richard Oliver

Dubstepped the only reason that I "resurrected" this matter now was because the case is finally resolved. Did you make the same complaint when people "resurrected" the Fessler case because it was going to trial and was looking bad for Watchtower? That was an even older case than 2014, I didn't hear you complain that it didn't matter when that case came back into everyone's' consciousness.

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Has Anyone Ever Just Gotten Mad and "Popped" an Elder?

by Cold Steel in

it has to have happened.

people get stressed out, an elder or overseer takes just two steps over the line and gets a fat lip for his trouble.. does that ever happen?

or maybe someone "counsels" a brother at the wrong time and tempers flare at the old kingdom hall?.

Richard Oliver

One man tried to poison an elder and his family by breaking into the elder's house and using a syringe to put pesticide into the family's milk. He was later convicted of assault. This happened in Britain if I remember correctly.

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Lewis V Watchtower

by Richard Oliver in

as some may know as reported by jwsurvey in october 2014 that a lawsuit against watchtower was initiated in vermont.

march 30, 2017 saw a resolution to this case with a summary judgment being filled in watchtower favor..

Richard Oliver

In Vermont the statue of limitations is 6 years. The statute calls for the counting of time to start at 18 or when the person discovered that they were sexually abused and discovered that they suffered harm from it. The statute of limitations did not bar Lewis claim against Watchtower because the court ruled that she didn't know the True molested his step-granddaughter and elders were informed till about 2013. But the statute of limitations did bar her from sueing True because the family talked about her abuse to her while she was growing up and told mental health workers that he molested her and she suffered harm before her 18 birthday so the court ruled that a reasonable person would conclude she knew she suffered harm by 18 so the statute of limitations started on her 18th birthday.